Talk:Alpha Delta Phi Fraternity

Local chapter or member misconduct

I deleted a "Controversies" section, after considering a simple rename as "Local chapter or member misconduct". It started out with the report of the 1922 death of a member after some reports of 'horseplay', where the Hamilton chapter was not alleged to have caused the death. --It was 100 years ago. While tragic, it was simply an event that happened on the fraternity premises and has nothing to do with a systemic report of hazing or aggression, then or now, and wasn't "national" by any sense of the term.

The citations went downhill from there, in terms of encyclopedic value: One was supported by a Gawker magazine reference, an unreliable source. Several others were reports of loud behavior or parties, or events held during a period of sanction. None of these are particularly noteworthy, even as a note against a specific chapter listing on the chapter list. In no way do they rise to the importance of citing them on a summary article about the national fraternity. Further, in most of these the issue has passed, the sanction is done, and a new crop of members is in the chapter, perhaps only dimly aware that some of their forebears were involved in a passing, local scandal.

I urge inclusion of misconduct items in these pages IF:
A) They indicate a systemic, ongoing problem that the national fraternity refuses to cure or condones in any way. Or,
B) The issue results in significant national news, like the Duke Lacrosse Team fraudulent rape case, affecting Phi Kappa Psi. Or,
C) If the issue results in noteworthy national legislation, like certain hazing events that result in anti-hazing laws. Jax MN (talk) 20:56, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Harvard

The "Chapters" section includes a paragraph about Harvard, which ends mysteriously with an incomplete sentence. Can someone figure out what this was supposed to say?

Also, the paragraph says that Harvard's first chapter existed until 1865, when it morphed into a final club, but Harvard College social clubs says that Harvard "banned traditional fraternities in the 1850s." There is a {{cn}} on that statement; but anyway, the 1850's were before 1865. Anyone know what the real timeline was? Bruce leverett (talk) 03:23, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

I have found more history of the Harvard chapter in Fly Club, and I have transplanted that to this article, citing the same source cited by that article. Bruce leverett (talk) 03:27, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

Proposed Move back.

StevenHB Article names should generally be under the common name, and I have been unable to find examples where, for example, Alpha Delta Phi (a non-society chapter), Alpha Tau Omega and Sigma Alpha Epsilon where Alpha Tau Omega and Sigma Alpha Epsilon don't have "Fraternity" in the shown name, but Alpha Delta Phi *does*. While internally to Alpha Delta Phi that may a fair way to show the two, Wikipedia's rules are different. (Rublamb, Jax MN). Naraht (talk) 16:15, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME is pretty clear on this: "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's official name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources)..." Rublamb (talk) 16:27, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

It ends up creating more problems than it fixes. The other fraternities and sororities will see this example and think their organization's articles should be similarly modified. --There is always a rush to add things in a "me too" effort, when someone feels their group's article doesn't have all the bells and whistles. I understand the effort to differentiate, but either a DAB page or the hatnotes as they exist seem very effective. Jax MN (talk) 03:51, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I think that it would be useful to have the name clearly distinguish unambiguously between the Alpha Delta Phi Fraternity and the Alpha Delta Phi Society. That these two organizations use the same Greek letters to identify themselves makes them different from ATO and SAE. StevenHB (talk) 16:30, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

The situation is very similiar to Delta Sigma Theta and Delta Sigma Theta (professional) where there is both a primary and an otherwise notable group using the same greek letters which is disambiguated. (Similiarly, Alpha Phi Omega and Alpha Phi Omega (Philippines), Alpha Sigma Phi and Alpha Sigma Phi (Philippines), Zeta Phi Beta and Zeta Phi Beta (fraternity) and a few more. (Wikipedia:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities/Watchlist helped me build this list). The primary difference is that Alpha Delta Phi Society has a natural disambiguator which makes sense to include.Naraht (talk) 16:42, 6 October 2026 (UTC)