Talk:Alen Panov

Draft review for notability

I was asked to review this article for creation (mostly whether it qualifies for Wikipedia:Notability), and wrote a partial review which I am including here. It should be useful if this article is nominated for deletion. In short,

• the subject is notable, so I am pushing the article to main space,
• but the article needs expansion, the Ukrainian Wikipedia article could be a big help for that
• and the main image is possibly a copyright violation, and needs an email to OTRS to confirm it is freely released by the copyright owner.

Extended content

Draft:Alen Panov review in response to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation‬:‪Reviewer competent in Ukranian needed

Wikipedia:Notability

Subject is a Ukrainian diplomat, lawyer and professor, so we need to see if his article meets WP:POLITICIAN, Wikipedia:Notability (academics), and/or the Wikipedia:General notability guideline.

• WP:POLITICIAN says
  • "Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels." He doesn't meet that, he's been a consul (see below), a representative to a regional organization, and a deputy mayor.
  • "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage."- he might meet that, he's gotten a fair amount of press.
  • WP:POLOUTCOMES says "Ambassadors are not considered inherently notable." and he wasn't an ambassador, merely a consul.
• Wikipedia:Notability (academics) gives a long list of criteria, which I am not expert to judge. He's written 16 monographs and books, which sounds like a fair bit, but has it had an impact in their discipline? I'm going to leave this out.
• WP:GNG is always the main criterion, it says "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject," that could be met, especially in combination with the secondary bullet of WP:POLITICIAN.

Source analysis

• https://www.uzhnu.edu.ua/uk/cat/interrelations-kafinterrel/staff - (in Ukrainian) this is his university profile. It's significant and reliable, but not independent of the subject.
• https://www.infosperber.ch/data/attachements/Gazette_41TranskarpatienSenkrecht%20Kopie1.pdf -(in German) this is a reasonably long article about him, from Die Gazette, which I don't know about, but we have an article about it, and that says it seems to have an impressive list of authors who have written for it. So it's significant, reliable, and independent. This counts.
• https://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/63965-Alen-Panov-Naybolee-zahruzhenn%D1%8Be-na-ukraynsko-venherskoi-hranytse-dny---ponedelnyk-y-chetverh (in Russian) (That this is in Russian is good, since I'm really only fluent in Russian, Ukrainian I'm only a little better than straight Google Translate, and I'm completely reliant on Google Translate for German!). This article is significant, but it's a WP:INTERVIEW, which is debatable for notability, as described in that link. I'm usually on the side that believes that "An independent interviewer represents the "world at large" giving attention to the subject, and as such, interviews as a whole contribute to the basic concept of notability.", but there are definitely editors here that disagree. We don't have an article about Zakarpattya Online, but https://zakarpattya.net.ua/ is clearly a large site, not just some person's blog. Also, at the bottom, it says "Снежана Русин, Gazeta.ua", and we do have a (short) article about Gazeta.ua, which says it's a 15 year old printed newspaper. I can find it on their website as well, https://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/lviv-newspaper/_naibolee-zagruzhennye-na-ukrainskovengerskoj-granice-dni-mdash-ponedelnik-i-chetverg/343675 which is a good sign. Still, debatable.
  • From there I can find a few other articles that mention Panov in Gazeta.ua: https://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/life/_zakarpatcy-kinulis-poluchat-vengerskoe-grazhdanstvo/370872; https://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/life/_na-vengerskoukrainskoj-granice-stoyat-ocheredi-zarobitchan/349400; https://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/ukraine-newspaper/_rabotniki-zablokirovali-vengerskuyu-granicu/341563; https://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/life/_400-ukraincev-pytalis-prorvatsya-cherez-granicu/341490; https://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/lviv-newspaper/_zakarpatcam-razreshili-svobodno-peresekat-granicu-/338250 - they're all fairly short, half a dozen paragraphs, but there are a lot of them. Most only quote him about another subject, but the last one is about him winning the lawsuit, which is about him. That will help. Here are the (in Ukrainian) links to the long interview and the lawsuit article: https://gazeta.ua/articles/lviv-newspaper/_najbilsh-zavantazheni-na-ukrayinskougorskomu-kordoni-dni-mdash-ponedilok-i-chetver/343675; https://gazeta.ua/articles/lviv-newspaper/_zakarpatcyam-dozvolili-vilno-peretinati-kordon/338250
  • At the bottom of the Zakarpattya article, there is also a link to other articles about Alen Panov, https://zakarpattya.net.ua/Tags/%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2, which is fertile ground:
    • https://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/78968-Alen-Panov-Problema-otrymannia-zakarpattsiamy-uhorskykh-pasportiv-proiavytsia-dosyt-shvydko (in Ukrainian) - short, basically an interview;
      • https://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/63964-Alen-Panov-Naibilsh-zavantazheni-na-ukrainsko-uhorskomu-kordoni-dni---ponedilok-i-chetver (in Ukrainian) version of the long interview;
      • https://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/61241-Ukraynskyi-konsul-v-Venhryy-v%D1%8Byhral-bezperetsedentnyi-sud-v-polzu-zakarpattsev (in Russian) short, https://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/61240-Ukrainskyi-konsul-v-Uhorshchyni-vyhrav-bezperetsedentnyi-sud-na-koryst-zakarpattsiv(in Ukrainian)
      • https://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/61336-Ukrainskyi-Konsul-v-Uhorshchyni-Alen-Panov-vyhrav-bezpretsedentnyi-sud-na-koryst-zakarpattsiv-ONOVLENO (in Ukrainian) -no author given, but it's long, it's about his winning the lawsuit, which is about him ... slightly more debatable than the German article, mainly because we aren't sure about the authorship and the reliability of Zakarpattya, but all things considered, I think this counts.
        • I searched for other copies of this article and found: https://zik.ua/news/2010/05/07/ukrainskyy_konsul_vidstoyav_prava_zakarpattsiv_v_ugorskomu_sudi_227703; https://zaxid.net/ugorskiy_sud_vinis_bezpretsedentne_rishennya_na_korist_ukrayintsiv_n1101976, which aren't exact copies of it, but are on the same theme.
      • https://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/60334-Zakarpatskyi-dyplomat-yzdal-posobye-dlia-studentov- (in Russian) Short, but it's about a book he's written, doesn't hurt.
• http://mukachevo.today/news/podii/profesor_uzhnu_alen_panov_edinij_v_ukraini_otrimav_nagorodu_karpatskogo_evroregionu (in Ukrainian) about an award he received. Not too long, half it's body is various speeches receiving the award, but helps in conjunction with the others
• https://szon.hu/helyi-kozelet/elksznt-a-nyregyhzi-ukrn-konzul-2753248/ (in Hungarian) about his resigning as consul, not too long, but clearly independent and about him
• https://uzhgorod.net.ua/news/43816 Short, about him, another version at http://www.mukachevo.net/ua/news/view/36246

Ukrainian Wikipedia version!

• https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD_%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 is a long UK Wikipedia article about the subject! If we knew that, I would have been saved an awful lot of work looking into sources. It's got 41 references! Multiple photos! Subsections! There's an article about a civic organization he founded! https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%96%D1%97_%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%96%D1%97 This doesn't settle it singlehandedly, as different Wikipedias do have different standards, but in combination with the above, this helps a lot.

I'm going to stop the analysis here and push the article live, as the subject clearly qualifies for a Wikipedia article. I'll include this analysis on the article talk page, as it could be useful in case it is nominated for deletion, or if someone wants to expand the article further. It does need expansion.

Image

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alen_Panov.jpg - this isn't technically going to affect acceptance or rejection of the article, but article images are something I'm interested in. This is marked as Source:Own work, Author:Sasha14021978. But the EXIF says Author:Volodymyr Tverdokhlib, Copyright holder:Volodymyr Tverdokhlib, uzhorod@mail.ru +380503729618. He's a professional photographer. We will need email confirmation from him that he is releasing this image under a free license, as detailed in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS#Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiries, or we may (probably will) delete this image as a copyright violation.

--GRuban (talk) 14:33, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

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