Talk:Alberic II of Spoleto

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question- what festivity is being referred to?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that Alberic II of Spoleto appointed five popes and fathered Pope John XII?

• Source: Pages 46 and 47 of Rome in the Tenth Century: A History in Art for Pope John XII being his son

Page 112 of Tiber: Eternal River of Rome and page 105 of Saints and Sinners: A History of the Popes for the five popes appointed by Alberic

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/List of Italian generals who died during the First World War

5x expanded by Jon698 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 101 past nominations.

Jon698 (talk) 04:51, 19 July 2025 (UTC).

• QPQ checks out, hook is sourced and interesting, article passes Earwig. Article does not at this time meet 5x expansion requirements, however, as it has 4299 characters and 736 words; pre-expansion it was 1028 characters and 179 words, requiring either 5140 characters or 895 words. Jon698, I imagine bumping it up to be a little longer shouldn't be to terribly difficult; let me know when you've completed this, and then the nomination can pass. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 22:56, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Darth Stabro: Done. Jon698 (talk) 04:33, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Nihil obstat ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 17:29, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

GA review

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Nominator: Jon698 (talk · contribs) 07:41, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Reviewer: Amir Ghandi (talk · contribs) 14:27, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello! I'll be doing the review of this article. Amir Ghandi (talk) 14:27, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

I have done the prose comments you left below so far. I will look into making an image or putting in a map as you requested. Jon698 (talk) 02:21, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

I added two images to the page. I cannot really think of any map that could be made for the article. Jon698 (talk) 02:45, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

@Amir Ghandi: I have provided the passages for the three references you wanted below. Jon698 (talk) 18:12, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

General comments

• Earwig gives a 4.8% of copyright violation, which means it is highly unlikely.

• Sources are all secondary sources of high quality

• The article currently has no images

• Some suggestions can be made for fine tuning prose and improvements

Images

• The article could benefit greatly from the addition of a map related to the era and the area
  • The added images are well-licenesed and illuminate the page

Prose

• "She assumed control of Rome after a power struggle with Pope John X and his brother Peter, who she murdered" Which one was murdered? The way the sentence is formatted it gives the assumption that Peter was murdered

Altered the sentence in this edit

• "...as while pouring water on Hugh's hands during a wedding banquet Alberic spilt some of the water" This sentence is a big cluncky. I suggest changing it to: '...because during a wedding banquet's ritual of pouring water on Hugh's hands, Alberic split some of the water.'

Done in this edit

• "Alberic raised a mob and was able to drive Hugh out of Rome. Alberic imprisoned Marozia, who died some time before 945" Two repetations of 'Alberic' is displeasing here. Suggest: "Moreover, he imprisoned Marozia, who died some time before 945"

Done in this edit

• Link Lombard and Transalpine (or add in parenthesis one of two of these Transalpine kings). What does Transalpine here actually refers to? Gallia Narbonensis?

I altered the sentence to be "that he defended the city from the Lombards" in this edit

• "Early during Alberic's rule he was referred to using the titles" I would suggest choosing between 'was referred to [as]' and 'us[ed] the titles' and ommiting the other

Done in this edit

Sources

This table lists 9 random passages from throughout the article (28.1% of 32 total passages). These passages contain 11 inline citations (28.9% of 38 in the article). Generated with the Veracity user script. Amir Ghandi (talk) 06:59, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Reference #	Letter	Source	Archive	Status	Notes
Alberic II of Spoleto was born on the Aventine Hill
1	a	Osborne 2025, p. 44.
Marozia was the daughter of Theophylact I, Count of Tusculum and Alberic I was an ally of Theophylact. Alberic I died in the 920s and Marozia married Guy, Margrave of Tuscany. She assumed control of Rome after a power struggle with Pope John X and his brother Peter; Peter was murdered by Marozia.
2	b	Osborne 2025, p. 40.
and his residence was in the Via del Corso.
7		Maskarinec 2025, p. 62.
Liutprand of Cremona described Alberic as an usurper and tyrant that treated the popes like servants.
9	a	Grierson & Blackburn 1986, p. 265.			I don't have access to this source. Please provide the relevant passage
Pope Stephen VIII fell out of favour with Alberic and participated in a plot to overthrow him; Stephen VIII was imprisoned and tortured before dying from his wounds.
13		Cushing 2005, p. 21.
14		Kelly 1988, p. 124.			I don't have access to this source. Please provide the relevant passage
Santa Maria del Priorato Church is the only surviving church that was endowed or founded by Alberic;
16		Coates-Stephens 1997, p. 204.
Odo of Cluny was made archimandrite for all of the monasteries in Rome by Alberic.
18		West-Harling 2020, p. 342.
This union produced a son named Octavian, the birth name of Augustus.
11	c	Osborne 2025, p. 43.
20		Chamberlin 1986, p. 40.
This agreement was in violation of a decree by Pope Symmachus from 499 prohibiting agreements about a pope's successor while the current pope was still alive. Otto the Great, who was denied a coronation in 951, was crowned as Holy Roman Emperor by John XII in 962; this line of emperors continued until the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806. John XII died in 964.
23		Kelly 1988, pp. 126–127.			I don't have access to this source. Please provide the relevant passage

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Reference 9 from Internet Archive - "For Liutprand, a less well-disposed contemporary, he is impissimius Albericus, a usurper and tyrant who treated the pope as a domestic servant at his beck and call (dominumque apostolicum quasi servum proprium in conclavi teneret). The truth of these strictures is very evident from his coinage. The pope at the time of his accession was John XI (931-5) who prior to 932 had minted in his own name. Alberic promptly took control of the mint, and while leaving John's name and monogram on the obverse of the coins made plain the source of authority by placing his own name, followed by FIERE iv in the field on the other."

Reference 14 - "In his last months Stephen seems to have fallen foul of Alberic and to have taken part in a conspiracy our uprising directed against him. Although the reports are late and differ in details, there is no reason to doubt their substance. It appears that the pope was imprisoned, brutally mutilated, and died of his injuries."

Reference 23 - "On his deathbed Alberic obliged the leading Romans to swear that, when the reigning pope Agapitus II died, they would elect Octavian, who was to succeed him as prince, as supreme pontiff as well. Although this undertaking violated the decree of Pope Symmachus (1 Mar. 499) forbidding agreements during a pope's lifetime about the choice of his successor, it was carried out." + "Otto, who had vainly sought the imperial crown in 951, welcomed the invitation." + "On 2 Feb. John anointed and crowned him, with his queen Adelaide, in St Peter's, and with the leading Romans swore to be loyal to him and refuse support to Berengar. Thus was reinaugurated the Holy Roman Empire (to last until the abdication of Francis II in 1806)." + "There, in early May, he suffered a stroke, allegedly while in bed with a married woman, and a week later he died, still in his middle twenties." Jon698 (talk) 18:11, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

@Jon698 Thank you for providing the passages. With the spot check successfully completed, I am ready to promote the article. Thanks for all the hard work. Amir Ghandi (talk) Amir Ghandi (talk) 18:16, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

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