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[edit]Is it Hichens or Hitchens? --Againme (talk) 13:35, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
- Seven years late, but it's definitely Hichens.--tronvillain (talk) 22:08, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
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Combining Legends
[edit]This is essentially a direct copy of a paragraph from Forbidden Archeology (in section 10.11), with "agogwe" substituted for "Kakundakari":
Charles Cordier, a professional animal collector who worked for zoos and museums, followed the tracks of an agogwe in Zaire in the late 1950s and early 1960s. Once, said Cordier, an agogwe had become entangled in one of his bird snares. "It fell on its face," said Cordier, "turned over, sat up, took the noose off its feet, and walked away before the nearby African could do anything".[1]
While this "other names" section incorporates the "sehite" of the Ivory Coast, despite the lede specifying Agogwe to be an East Coast legend:
In the Ivory Coast it is known as the sehite.[1]
Plus, the lede currently features physical descriptions that, as far as I can tell, are mostly unsupported by any of these sources. This may interest you, :bloodofox:, given that it appears to be combining multiple reports into one unified "cryptid." --tronvillain (talk) 23:03, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Tronvillain:, thanks for checking into this. I looked this article over recently and didn't know where to begin. Unfortunately, there seem to be thousands of articles lumped into [[Category:Cryptids]] with similar problems, so the best I can do for now is remove what clearly violates WP:UNDUE and WP:FRINGE, and hope that someone comes by and has an easier time building a solid article from it. It looks like the article definitely needs a total rewrite. What a mess! :bloodofox: (talk) 16:28, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- I've been doing a little research, and have managed to track down a lot of the early material this appears to be based on. When I have time, I'll have to move the article to something other than Agogwe, and then have a few separate sections. Interestingly, the Cordier quote appears to originate with Schaller's The Year of the Gorilla (1964), where it isn't a direct quote.[2] --tronvillain (talk) 17:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
Australopithecine claims
[edit]At least one guy tried to claim the Agogwe was really an Australopithecus (like Lucy). . He thinks Oliver (chimpanzee) was one of these as well instead of a chimp (though this was disproven, I believe). Of course, Michael Bradley is about as WP: FRINGE as you can get (but then again, cryptids like this one are pretty fringe topics by definition, and so are the people who believe in them). The essay in question is really a hot mess (it has antisemitism, goddess movement-style mystical feminism, Jesus-is-really-Horus religious revisionism, neo-polygenist racial theories, bizarre hypotheses about Australopithecus hybridizing with baboons and/or geladas to produce the genus Homo, 9/11 trutherism, some weird asides about copper prospecting, and even a mention of yet another African cryptid, and the Holy Grail too). It’s like a more bigoted version of a Dan Brown novel, and it definitely deserves some sort of award for being the most deranged thing ever. But cryptid enthusiasts tend to be like that, though. Who knows if the Bradley essay is worth any sort of mention in this article or not. LonelyBoy2012 (talk) 09:57, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
References
- 1 2 Cremo, M.; Thompson, R. (1996). Forbidden Archaeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race. Bhaktivedanta Book Publishing. Archived from the original on 5 February 2010. Retrieved 2010-01-25.
{{cite book}}: Unknown parameter|deadurl=ignored (|url-status=suggested) (help) - ↑ Schaller, George B. (2010) [1964]. The Year of the Gorilla. University of Chicago Press. p. 91. ISBN 978-0-226-73647-1.