Talk:5th Interceptor Command

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--JeffGBot (talk) 20:30, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Copied over from User_talk:Lineagegeek

The data [at the 5th IC article] seems much more detailed than the information available in the 5 FC entry in Maurer, Combat Units (though I have just realised that someone, probably Bwmoll3, could have just extracted all the detail from the individual group entries.) Anyway, please take a look and see what you think. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 22:16, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

The three most obvious possibilities are They Fought With What They Had, Craven and Cate, and the USAAF Chronologies (all PD). However, the only hit I got on the list of units was in the May 1942 USAAF Chronology, which dates their end to 6 May 1942 with the surrender of Corregidor, not 9 April. I have a sneaking suspicion that this organization may have had no formal existence. AFHRA refers to it as "probably a provisional organization." None of the references that popped up use the (Provisional) in regard to the unit. The Report of the Pearl Harbor Commission says it could find no evidence of its activation. 5th Interceptor Command, unlike 5th Bomber Command, was activated in the US and had begun shipment to the Philippines when the Japanese attacks on the Far East turned it back. It would have made sense for FEAF/5th AF to have started organizing an advanced echelon in the Philippines, rather than waiting for the formal organization to ship from the US. That would account for calling the Philippine organization 5th Interceptor Command without the (Provisional) or taking formal organizational action to establish it. Then, with the surrender in the Philippines, it would have just silently faded away. Lineagegeek (talk) 13:15, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Curiouser and curiouser. AFP 900-2 credits V Fighter Command with a Distinguished Unit Citation, a Philippine Presidential Unit Citation and campaign credit that it ccould not possibly have earned because it was back in the US as 2d Fighter Command at the time, and which were undoubtedly awarded to 5th Interceptor Command. I surmise that in 1941, the usual set of commands were organized for Phillipine Dept AF/Far East AF/5 AF. 5th Bomber Command and 5th Service Command were organized in the Philippines. 5th Interceptor Command and 5th Air Support Command were organized in the United States for shipment to the Philippines (I'd love to see the Adjutant General 320.2 letter(s) involved. During that period, they frequently would expressly mention that a unit was activated at one location for assignment to another location at a future date.) At any rate, 5th Interceptor Command left the POE and was turned back, eventually becoming Fighter Command School. 5th Air Support Command (Maurer erroneously gives it a roman numeral in 1941) never even got that far, but became Ninth Air Force. So it looks to me that there's not much to fear about copyvios, but the article could certainly be improved.--Lineagegeek (talk) 22:54, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Copied over. Buckshot06 (talk) 00:54, 24 May 2020 (UTC)