Talk:Disability classification in judo

Requested move 31 August 2012

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 19:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Judo classification → Disability judo classificationDisability judo classification – This is not about general judo classification. Judo is an Olympic sport. So, this can either be expanded to cover regular judo classifications, or be renamed to indicate that is is for blind judokas. When this is renamed, the redirect should be deleted. 76.65.128.252 (talk) 11:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move 21 October 2012

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The result of the move request was: not moved. No prejudice against a new RM with "Diability classification in judo" as the proposed title. Jenks24 (talk) 04:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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Disability judo classification → Judo classification – Per WP:COMMONNAME. The common name for the sport on the disability sport is judo. It is not "disability judo." This is common name is found in the literature. LauraHale (talk) 01:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose this has nothing to do with classification of judo in general, and only deals with the classification of judo in disabled sport contexts. There is nothing in this article that covers general classifications of bowls, such as by age, or gender, or mixed-gender groups, or skill level. There is nothing about black belts or blue belts or brown belts evident in this article at all. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:27, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Classes =/= Classification. There is no confusion between the two. This is not the common name. No bias against the IP for creating an article titled Judo classes for classes such as age, or gender, or mixed-gender groups, or skill level. The sources for judo clearly call these differences "judo classes". There would be no expectation about the different belts. If necessary, the article can have a disambiguation at the top which points to information about classes.--LauraHale (talk) 09:54, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
    • wikt:classification is the manner of placing things in classes -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 04:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose: Misleading, as it would imply that all players are covered. --Stfg (talk) 10:07, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Isn't Judo then misleading as a name because it doesn't cover all players? It only covers those who are able-bodied? I don't see where the confusion is. Judo classification is not used in the sport in any other context to cause this type of confusion. --LauraHale (talk) 10:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
    • But it does. You are confusing entitlement with ability. As the topic discussed in this article is the classification of disabilities, the title should say so. A better title might be Diability classification in judo, however, since it's the disability, not the judo (as in belt colours etc), that is classified as in this article. --Stfg (talk) 12:45, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support LauraHale does have a point, I'm supporting per WP:COMMONNAME since it is known as Judo, Judo classification is the correct way to go. Bidgee (talk) 10:53, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per [[guidelines on precision in article titles. Graham87 15:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. Only refers to disabled sport, so needs to be specific to avoid confusion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move 29 October 2012

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The result of the move request was: moved. DrKay (talk) 20:18, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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• Disability judo classification → Disability classification in judo
• Disability sailing classification → Disability classification in sailing
• Disabled lawn bowls player classification → Disability classification in lawn bowls
• Disability table tennis classification → Disability classification in table tennis
• Disability golf classification → Disability classification in golf

– The name of the first sport listed is not "disability judo" but "judo". The first article is about the classification of disabilites for players of this sport. The same consideratinh apply to the others. The above sports are all those in Category:Disability sport classifications whose name takes the form "Disability <name of sport> classification" except the racquetball article, for which I'll propose a separate move. Stfg (talk) 12:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support - Logical title structure. —Diiscool (talk) 13:01, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support. Yes, logical. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:13, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support makes sense generally ; though the golf article has an open requested move to Blind golf classification, as it only deals with blind golf. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 13:16, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

  Sorry, my bad. This one would be more consistent. --Stfg (talk) 13:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

As a procedural note, that move has now been closed. --BDD (talk) 16:11, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

• Counter proposal - As a matter of proper "due process" this proposal is out of order. This discussion should be at a Project level as it concerns far more than only this article. It is not apropriate to discuss other articles here. Therefor I Propose that this proposal be closed here and reopened at a more suitable venue such as WikiProject Sport or WikiProject Disability - There is no WikiProject for Disability Sport (broadly defined) - WikiProject Paralympics only covers one "set" of events which include only some of the affected sports. IMHO the proposed naming "pattern" should be extended to all articles about the classification of participants in all disability sports. Roger (talk) 13:35, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

  This proposal follows the procedure defined at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting multiple page moves. The other affected artcle talk pages already have bot-created sections pointing here. Feel free to post a notice pointing here at any project talk page you would like to be informed. Category:Disability sport classifications is a useful reference for name forms currently used for these articles. This proposal relates to one set of them and this way of doing it protects consistency in article naming. --Stfg (talk) 14:06, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

  I stand corrected, thanks. My counter proposal is hereby withdrawn. Roger (talk) 14:11, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

  There are a number of WikiProjects that should be notified of this - WP:WikiProject Sport, WP:WikiProject Olympics/Paralympics, WP:WikiProject Disability as well as the WikiProjects for each of the affected sports WP:WikiProject Martial arts, WP:WikiProject Sailing, WP:WikiProject Bowling, WP:WikiProject Table tennis and WP:WikiProject Golf. Roger (talk) 14:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks very much. Doing now. --Stfg (talk) 15:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. Roger (talk) 14:11, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support per above, logical and consistent. Graham87 14:13, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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