Talk:2018–2019 Gaza border protests

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Casualty figures wrong

The 223 reported killed by the human rights organization surreptitiously matches the number injured Hamas themselves reported, who themselves are unreliable. The article should be updated to estimate the actual number of casualties in neutral language from neutral sources.

https://apnews.com/article/62065d10794d4469a02c4b9d095174eb

Combuchan (talk) 12:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Your own citation says 223. The rest of your comment is opinion. If you have reliable sources that provide different numbers then you should provide them. 2600:8802:5913:1700:5875:474C:BE3D:2176 (talk) 00:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

That's because people keep citing the Gaza Health Ministry for death tolls, even though conducted studies have shown that they aren't credible. 2A02:C7C:2CE7:6A00:60A0:F7AC:C133:71F3 (talk) 18:02, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 March 2024

This entire excerpt at the end of the 5th paragraph might be false or made up (it is missing a citation so it's hard to tell) :

"In late February 2019, a United Nations Human Rights Council's independent commission found that of the 489 cases of Palestinian deaths or injuries analyzed, only two were possibly justified as responses to danger by Israeli security forces. The commission deemed the rest of the cases illegal, and concluded with a recommendation calling on Israel to examine whether war crimes or crimes against humanity had been committed, and if so, to bring those responsible to trial. "

I looked at the UN reports and the press releases, and none of them mention anything regarding "489" cases, or the 2 justified ones. Here are the reports from the UN : https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/co-iopt/report2018-opt Here are the direct PDFs to the 2 reports : 1. https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/CoIOPT/A_HRC_40_74.pdf 2. https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/HRBodies/HRC/RegularSessions/Session40/Documents/A_HRC_40_74_CRP2.pdf

I tried googling the 489 number that I saw, and the 2 justified killing number but I couldn't find anything. All of the mentions of the 489 number cite Wikipedia as the source of the claim. I suggest you guys look into this one. Thanks! Borlock (talk) 00:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

This was added by Nishidani in February 2019. Nishindani, do you remember what the source of that number is? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

No response -  Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pppery: @Nishidani: I have found the source so this can be restored.

"The commission investigated all 189 fatalities and tracked more than 300 injuries caused by the Israeli security forces at the demonstration sites and during the demonstrations. With the exception of one incident in North Gaza on 14 May that may have amounted to “direct participation in hostilities” and one incident in Central Gaza on 12 October that may have constituted an “imminent threat to life or serious injury” to the Israeli security forces, the commission found reasonable grounds to believe that, in all other cases, the use of live ammunition by Israeli security forces against demonstrators was unlawful." Makeandtoss (talk) 13:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nishidani: Get well soon! Makeandtoss (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to add it back with that source. You know more about this area than I do - I'm just the grunt doing the work of responding to long-stale edit requests. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

And I see it already has been - no objection. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Source UN report

Unless I'm mistaken we use a very abbreviated version (a summary that is a 10th of the original) of the Report of the detailed findings of the independent international Commission of inquiry on the protests in the Occupied Palestinian Territory A/HRC/40/CRP.2 Human Rights Council 18 March 2019. The latter is the proper source, and, using it, much of the newspaper sourcing used here could be dispensed with. Nishidani (talk) 20:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

edit request for the section "7-8 august"

"reported than 180 rockets" should be "reported more than 180 rockets" Chairibum (talk) 14:21, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 October 2024

In the beginning of the “tactics” section under the subsection “Palestinian Tactics” is says that the International Rescue Committee reported that the protests where largely peaceful. However the source to the statement is from Nathan Thrall at the International Crisis Group and not from the International Rescue Committee.

I would like to suggest the text to be changed so that the text states that the International Crisis Groups reported that the protest were mostly peaceful and not the International Rescue Committee since that is in line with the source. Jjoonnii (talk) 11:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for catching this! Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

No problem.

Nathan Thrall apparently has a wikipedia page, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Thrall. Since it is not clear from the source if the international crisis group had observers on the ground maybe “Nathan Thrall from the International Crisis Group” would be a better wording. With a hyperlink to Nathan Thralls wikipedia page.(I am new to wikipedia so i don’t know how to do hyperlinks) Jjoonnii (talk) 17:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

"Hamas struggled to" ??? in Background section

There is a word missing in the sentence "Hamas struggled to Gaza, and the new leadership under Yahya Sinwar ..." in the Background section. This should be changed to something like: a) "Hamas struggled to rule Gaza, and the new leadership etc" or perhaps b) "Hamas struggled in Gaza, and the new leadership etc" PJQ33 (talk) 07:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done – Since there doesn't appear to be content matching this in the article body, I removed that fragment. Thanks for flagging it! Smallangryplanet (talk) 11:57, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Huge difference in narratives between the English and Hebrew article

In the English article it is stated that most of of the Palestinian protesters marched in peace. On the Hebrew article it is stated that the Palestinians threw rocks and Molotov cocktails. Those two obviously contradict. Please fix your articles, this is misleading information. Daf7540 (talk) 17:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

 Not done - Wikipedia is not a newspaper, we don't use other wikis as a source - the presence of information on one language's wiki does not mean it needs to be on a different language's wiki. If the information you mention is correct and attributable to reliable sources it can be added, subject to the usual wiki process. Smallangryplanet (talk) 11:54, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Israel–Hamas war section is not relevant.

I fail to see how this is relevant enough to include in the article. It's a stub that makes a statement unrelated to the article. I propose we remove it.

The entire section below: "Ahmed Abu Ratima (or Rteima), one of the organizers of the original Gaza border protests, was seriously injured in an Israeli airstrike during the Israel–Hamas war; the airstrike killed five of his family members, including his twelve-year-old son." 2A02:C7C:2CE7:6A00:60A0:F7AC:C133:71F3 (talk) 18:06, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

 Not done Given that Ahmed Abu Ratima was one of the organisers of the article topic, I think this does meet the requirements of WP:RELEVANCE and does not need to be removed. Smallangryplanet (talk) 11:46, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

No support for over 40 militants

NONE of the sources for the line "Other sources claim a higher figure, of at least 40. " report the number 40. This line should be expunged. Mcdruid (talk) 05:22, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done Nicely spotted @Mcdruid - fixed. Smallangryplanet (talk) 11:41, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Fix English spelling of Palestinian journalist's name

The corrected transliteration of the Palestinian journalist's name is Ahmed Abu Artema, rather than Ahmed Abu Ratima.

Source: "Update: The byline on this essay has been changed to reflect the author’s preferred transliteration" https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/opinion/gaza-protests-organizer-great-return-march.html

 Done. I have edited per request. Thank you. Regards, VerdictByLogic - Let's Discuss 07:35, 20 April 2026 (UTC)