Template talk:Requested move

helpful links section

I noticed I have to get a lot of links when examining statistics for requested moves, but it's usually possible to generate some default links in an automated way.

With AFD, we have {{Find sources AFD}} as well as {{AFD help}}. How hard would it be to add something like this to RMs?

For example, for each existing article title listed in the RM, an all-time monthly page views link could be generated with: https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2015-07&end=$CURRENTYEAR-$CURRENTMONTH&pages=$ITEM1|$ITEM2|...

In case of disambiguation pages, the all-time linked items list is usually helpful: https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/massviews/?platform=all-access&agent=user&source=wikilinks&range=all-time&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&target=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$ITEM

Ditto for WikiNav (a rendering of clickstreams): https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=$ITEM

TIA. --Joy (talk) 21:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Three sections imo:

• History (earliest versions; move log; changes to delete or retarget redirects AWAY)
• Incoming (redirects; traffic stats; links from articles; links excluding navboxen)
• Actions (become the Closer, relist, cancel, move as nominated, move to other name)

They can all be squeezed into a table like

History: ...

Incoming: ...

Actions: ...

Jruderman (talk) 05:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 5 March 2025 make cross-namespace warning more prominent

Old version. wbm1058's version is below

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<small style="line-height:1.2em;">''This proposal is for a cross-namespace move from {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE:{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}}}||(Main/Article)|{{NAMESPACE:{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}}}}} to {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE:{{{1}}}}}||(Main/Article)|{{NAMESPACE:{{{1}}}}}}} [[WP:Namespace|namespace]].''</small>

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{{{{if preview|error|1x}}|1=<small style="line-height:1.2em;">''This proposal is for a cross-namespace move from {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE:{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}}}||(Main/Article)|{{NAMESPACE:{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}}}}} to {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE:{{{1}}}}}||(Main/Article)|{{NAMESPACE:{{{1}}}}}}} [[WP:Namespace|namespace]].''</small>}}

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This proposal is for a cross-namespace move from

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This proposal is for a {{if preview|{{red|'''cross-namespace''' move}}|cross-namespace move}} from

Template:Requested move/dated/sandbox

I have (Sorry wbm1058) twice forgotten to type the namespace, and caused one accidental cross-namespace mainspace-destination move when I intended the page to remain in projectspace. More people probably intend intra-namespace moves than cross-namespace moves.

This ER adds {{error}} formatting in preview mode to make the warning harder to miss. 216.58.25.209 (talk) 19:55, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

 not done for now: good that you added your code to the [sandbox]. I've fixed the sandbox so it only has your code in it, and I've temporarily included "main" and "sandbox" versions on the [testcases] page, so can you show on that page how this error message would appear? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 13:45, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

My bad – I just checked the testcases in preview and saw how the edit appears, so this edit will be implemented shortly, provided that editor wbm1058 has no objections. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 13:58, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Hey, wait a minute. If you're viewing Template:Requested move/dated in preview mode, then you're likely not following the instructions:

Please use {{subst:requested move}}. Do not use {{requested move/dated}} directly.

But alas (banner blindness?) many users blow right by that warning and try using /dated directly, thus bypassing many of the system's error checks.

I'm not sure we want to prohibit cross-namespace moves entirely, which is what {{error}} implies; there may be rare scenarios where that is intended.

The place to implement improved warnings is probably Module:Requested move, not here.

I need to think harder, again, about how to make submitting requested moves more user friendly. Maybe along the lines of creating a form to fill out, rather than substituting a template. I think many newbies submitting RMs don't understand the concept of template substitution. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:31, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Also, from experience, editors often do not stop in preview mode. They'll often blow past that and save the error message, which often won't get removed until I remove it. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:34, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

OK, I see how this might work in preview, when following the instructions. But still trying to understand how it works. IP making this request is operating at "Wiki PhD" level and I only have a master's degree.

Per mw:Help:Magic words#Technical_metadata, {{REVISIONID}} is always empty in preview, thus one can show an error message only in preview. May be disabled in miser mode (all WMF wikis) returning - instead when not in preview.

So we're in "miser mode", does this actually work as intended? I had to write a bot to work around the disabling of REVISIONID in miser mode. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:05, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

I never used/tested {{Requested move/dated}} directly. I always use/test {{subst:rm}}.

I suggested limiting this to preview mode (/dated) to avoid the controversy of using Module:Requested move to prohibit cross-namespace moves entirely. I wouldn't mind, but I was worried someone might be using cross-namespace moves and object to a prohibition.

{{REVISIONID}} came from me manually subting {{if preview}}. I'll unsubst it for readability. {{warning}} only exists as a non-inline template. {{preview warning}} is aptly-named, but would complicate the wikitext and its result is already near-identical.

My RM workflow is to click "Add topic", click "Source", then type {{subst:rm|New title}}. The Reply tool always shows the preview. Due to banner blindness, I skip everything inside the tmbox, but everyone would notice usually-absent red text. 216.58.25.209 (talk) 16:44, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

So evidently we must return to  not completed and, it is hoped, the module may be used to improve upon this edit. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 22:11, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

OK, 216.58.25.209. I'm following you now. I don't think we should use {{error}} for mere warnings, so I used {{red}} instead, as hinted at in the {{if preview}} documentation. I also limited the scope of the preview check, to make the template coding less complex and easier to follow by other template editors who work on this template in the future. If you're OK with my version, and nobody else has any issues with it, then Paine Ellsworth can make it go live. Otherwise feel free to suggest further tweaking. It's easy to see what it looks like in preview, just edit the template sandbox itself, and Show preview. Thanks, wbm1058 (talk) 02:24, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Wbm1058 and Paine Ellsworth: I prefer your version!

Thank you for showing me {{red}}; yeah that style was my intent and is equally/more salient. In addition to simplifying code, you also fixed the text wrapping my version suffered from. 216.58.25.209 (talk) 18:02, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

And  completed! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 18:37, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Making instructions clearer

Hi there!

I'm trying to follow these instructions about requesting moves for shared talk pages, but I'm finding them hard to understand:

If the talk page is a redirect you may, rather than overwriting the redirect, start discussion on the target. Example: to make a request to rename WP:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to WP:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates. The talk page of the project page to be moved, WT:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, redirects to its parent talk page, WT:WikiProject Articles for creation, to centralize discussions, so the requested move is started using:

One thing I find confusing is "start discussion on the target", which sounds like it means "start a discussion about what the target should be" but I think actually means "create the target page and start a discussion there"? And the second sentence isn't actually a full sentence, so it's hard to understand what that's trying to communicate. Would someone who understands this be able to copy-edit it? I look forward to following the instructions once I can understand them :-) Alarichall (talk) 09:47, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Edit request, 21 October 2025

Hello,

In Template:Requested move/dated, Please implement my sandbox changes where I have italicised the article titles displayed in the template to be consistent with Template:Requested move notice.

Thanks. WikiEdita65 (talk) 07:43, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. – welcome! – 19:18, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Adam Young (American musician) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 14:24, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

Protection icon

Currently, the protection icon which appears when move-protected pages are being discussed (have a look at Template talk:Tfm for a real example) overflows below the header when the header is only one line (this can occur on legacy vector or vector 2022 set to wide). I've made an initial proposal for how to improve this in Template:Requested move/dated/sandbox (a side-by-side comparison can be found at User:Chrs/sandbox). This does, however, cause the horizontal rule to be pushed slightly below where it usually appears when discussing a non-protected page, so I'd appreciate if anyone has any thoughts or feedback. — chrs [talk] 20:44, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 21 April 2026

Please replace [[Category:Fulfilled page move requests]] with {{category handler|all=[[Category:Fulfilled page move requests]]|nocat={{#ifeq:{{{demo|<noinclude>yes</noinclude>}}}|yes|true}}}} and [[Category:Requested moves with protected titles]] with {{category handler|all=[[Category:Requested moves with protected titles]]|nocat={{#ifeq:{{{demo|<noinclude>yes</noinclude>}}}|yes|true}}}} to align the handling of the demo parameter for those tracking categories with the primary Category:Requested moves tracking category. — chrs [talk] 00:07, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:44, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 1 May 2026

Please sync "Template:Requested move/dated" to match the sandbox in order to resolve the issue with protection icons I brought up above. — chrs [talk] 23:43, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. – welcome! – 16:59, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

Edit request 10 May 2026

Description of suggested change:

Diff:

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ORIGINAL_WIKITEXTCHANGED_WIKITEXT

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This was a test!

~2026-28314-33 (talk) 07:51, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

 Not done test edit. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:58, 10 May 2026 (UTC)