Talk:Typhoon Matmo (2025)

Fork

MAS0802 and Ampil argued that the DMY format is a wrong one and used this as an excuse to create and maintain a fork of the draft (which contains considerably less latest content and had at one point disregarded wikilinks to disambiguation pages). Please keep things in one place and discuss here which date format should be used. Per MOS:DATERET the DMY format shall be kept IMO.

 • If an article has evolved using predominantly one date format, this format should be used throughout the article, unless there are reasons for changing it based on the topic's strong ties to a particular English-speaking country, or consensus on the article's talk page.

 • The date format chosen in the first major contribution in the early stages of an article (i.e., the first non-stub version) should continue to be used, unless there is reason to change it based on the topic's strong ties to a particular English-speaking country, or consensus on the article's talk page.

124.217.189.70 (talk) 07:45, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

MDY is the standard date format for tropical cyclone pages in the western pacific. 𝕯𝖊𝖊𝖕 𝕻𝖎𝖕𝖊 17:49, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

Also please don't use jtwc info as the major agency. 𝕯𝖊𝖊𝖕 𝕻𝖎𝖕𝖊 17:54, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

And PAGASA 𝕯𝖊𝖊𝖕 𝕻𝖎𝖕𝖊 18:19, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

That's dubious. Publications of the JMA follow both ymd and dmy. In the case of the PAGASA it's predominantly dmy as far as I know. 124.217.188.188 (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

This draft will delete

This draft is violated WP:Vandalism, WP:CRYSTAL.

First, the format is wrong. In the Pacific Typhoon season, all typhoon article was used MDY format as the common format in Pacific Typhoon season.

Second, you created the draft before JMA do something (Such as upgraded into an TS and give the name). When I saw your draft, the title is wrong (Typhoon Matmo), how can be that? Wrong title and format will violated the rules of Wikipedia and you will ban by admin if you do the wrong thing again.

This will be the first warning for your bad attitudes.

I hope all users especially IP users and new users, do not break the Wikipedia rules, Just do the contribution in the article/draft after the reliable sources come out.

No predictions, no wrong format. No vandalism.

Thank you. MAS0802 12:41, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

As mentioned elsewhere, such as your user talk page, none of what you said was a valid excuse to create and maintain a fork of a draft. Everything has been merged back under the oldest page, and the forks shall serve as redirects. Please stop your vandalism and work together with the rest of the Wikipedian community. Last but not least please discuss and edit in the English language. 124.217.188.69 (talk) 12:49, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

Then you will have to change the draft to MDY format. We can merge our draft to your draft afterwards. 𝕯𝖊𝖊𝖕 𝕻𝖎𝖕𝖊 17:51, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

No one owns anything on Wikipedia. The other version had already been merged under this page for quite some time. 124.217.188.188 (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

IP user please respect each other. MAS0802 02:07, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Respect each other? Just look at the mess you have made. 203.145.95.215 (talk) 06:04, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

I have to agree with the IP. Please stop MAS. Accordthemusician (talk) 10:18, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Typhoon status

The JTWC and the PAGASA had at one point before the Isabela landfall accorded typhoon status to Matmo. So do the HKO and possibly the SMG at the moment. Do we have to wait until JMA's decision to update the lede, the infobox and the page title? 116.48.206.164 (talk) 15:32, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Yes, presumably, since they are the RSMC for this basin. 203.145.95.215 (talk) 15:37, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Matmo is a typhoon

Guys, Matmo is now officially a typhoon according to the JMA, as of their analysis at 00:00 UTC today (October 5). For more info, check this out: https://www.jma.go.jp/bosai/map.html#6/20.818/109.534/&typhoon=TC2526&contents=typhoon&lang=en&elem=root

So do we change the title to Typhoon Matmo (2025)? EmperorChesser 02:28, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

Edit request

To insert at the end of the meteorological history section, after "on 5 October" and the refs, the following:

• " at 14:50 [[China Standard Time|CST]] (06:50 UTC).<ref>{{cite news|title=Typhoon Matmo hits southern China during peak holiday season |url=https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/typhoon-matmo-hits-southern-china-during-peak-holiday-season-2025-10-05/ |publisher=Reuters |date=5 October 2025 |access-date=5 October 2025}}</ref>"

Thanks. 203.145.95.215 (talk) 20:57, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

Already done - looks like this request has already been actioned — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:32, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Merger of drafts

A merger of the fork draft into the original, oldest draft which contains much of the edit history on this topic has been performed. For background, see WP:AN/I § Cut-and-paste move, WP:AN/I § Ban-evading proxy IP causing disruptions across typhoon articles, WP:AN § Can someone figure out what is going on with these tropical storm drafts? and User talk:219.79.142.128 § Parallel draft. 219.79.142.128 (talk) 21:35, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

I don't understand though. Why changing it at this time? In my opinion, you shouldn't make those changes since the topic in WP:ANI hasn't been closed yet; a final decision hasn't been made. Waiting until that moment will ensure that the changes you made are appropriate. EmperorChesser 13:23, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

I want a clear and reasonable reply from you. If not then sorry, I might have to undo the changes (Remember, might, not will). EmperorChesser 13:24, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

In my opinion, you shouldn't make ... are appropriate. Why not?

I might ... Please do make good changes to any article... changes which are in line with Wikipedia policies, guidelines, etc. 219.79.142.128 (talk) 17:54, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Oh, so as I said then, I will undo your merges, just not now. EmperorChesser 23:19, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

I don't think your reasoning being all the backgrounds above seems right to perform a merge. EmperorChesser 23:20, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Typhoon Matmo (2025) to Typhoon Matmo

I believe Typhoon Matmo caused widespread damage, totaling nearly $4 billion (2025 USD). After the end of the horrific 2025 typhoon season, I might retire the name along with the seven others (this is purely hypothetical). Modokai (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

I agree with that; see the requested move below. EmperorChesser 01:00, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 14 November 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 00:41, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

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Typhoon Matmo (2025) → Typhoon MatmoTyphoon Matmo – The storm has caused at least US$3.76 billion, the costliest storm worldwide this year so far and surpassing Matmo in 2014. For that reason, I support moving, and this can also fall under WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. EmperorChesser 01:03, 14 November 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 01:16, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

Please let me know what you think about this. EmperorChesser 16:09, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm not convinced that this is the primary topic. The articles tell me that the 2014 typhoon had similar wind speeds and caused more fatalities. Clearly they were both major typhoons. Is there any evidence that the 2025 one is the primary topic? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 23:58, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

  $418 million vs $3.76 billion. What do you think? EmperorChesser 01:32, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

  The fatalities 2014 Matmo caused may be greater, but the damage is nearly incomparable. EmperorChesser 01:34, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

  That's not evidence of either one being the primary topic, so I oppose the move unless a better rationale can be articulated. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose I'm not convinced this is the primary topic. They are very similar strength typhoons that have hit a very similar part of the world. While the 2025 one was more costly, the 2014 caused more fatalities. I'm not sure the 2025 one currently hits both aspects of WP:Primarytopic TNNO (talk) 12:26, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose. I don't think this is the primary topic and it's premature to move the title without any evidence of long-term significance. Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. Katzrockso (talk) 02:46, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

Comment Your reason is OK, but… how is this related to WP:CRYSTALBALL? I have not made any predictions at all. EmperorChesser 13:56, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose for now, Matmo 2014 caused more deaths, even though it caused a fair amount of damage. Per Mx. Granger, neither storm would qualify as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. However, if a more WP:LASTING impact is described in sources several months from now, I would be inclined towards moving. 🌀Hurricane Wind and Fire (talk) (contribs)🔥 03:49, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 13 March 2026

Typhoon Matmo (2025) → Typhoon MatmoTyphoon Matmo – The storm has caused at least US$3.11 billion, the costliest storm in Northwest Pacific this year so far and surpassing Matmo in 2014. The name "Matmo" will be retired after 2025 season, according to 58th IWS Typhoon Committee (https://vietnamnet.vn/chinh-thuc-bao-yagi-doi-ten-thanh-bao-tomo-2494734.html) because the damage (mostly by 2025 Northern Vietnam floods). For that reason, I support moving, and this can also fall under WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.HUYTK21 (talk) 06:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Strong oppose, Matmo in 2014 caused TransAsia Airways Flight 222 crash indirectly. Sinsyuan✍️TW→GA 13:41, 15 March 2026 (UTC)